เราได้ฌานอะไรแล้ว? ดูจากอะไร
Summary
The recurring practitioner questions: which jhāna is it when the breath disappears, where is rapture strongest, and what does seeing light or losing the sense of the body mean.
The method offered is not to read the phenomena but to read what has fallen away, in order — which is the framework the suttas use.
The account is primarily from the speaker’s own practice, supported by references to the Canon.
Key points
Phenomena are not a reliable criterion
Two people at the same depth can report different signs, so they do not compare across practitioners.
What has fallen away is the firmer test
The suttas specify which factor drops at which stage — a structural criterion rather than an experiential one.
Wanting to know your level is itself an obstacle
Anxiety about which stage you are at pulls attention off what you are actually doing.
Canon and experience are cited separately
The speaker distinguishes what comes from the texts from what is his own.